@zekestone: I don't know, I've driven an Escalade pretty hard and it doesn't understeer nearly as much as you might think. That first power slide was truly a Code Brown moment. And of course there is the story of Boris Said taking a class of Skippy students around Lime Rock (I think) in a Dodge van and scaring a couple … » 12/31/10 12:02am 12/31/10 12:02am